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1. •  
     CommentAuthorAaron MOrawk
   • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009

    

   Posted By: Trey,Internet politeness doesn't build a community. It passes time. Go to shows - shows that your band isn't playing. Meet people. See faces. That makes everyone seem like much less of an asshole. End. If you're going to shows, it negates the necessity of this thread. If you're not, why do you care about what happens to the music scene? You're not apart of it.

   
   
   I also agree.
   
   I think we're confusing "how to build community" with "how to REBUILD MOrawk as a community." The topic at hand pertains directly to the community, and only slightly to MOrawk as a small part of that community.
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     CommentAuthorDan Magnum
   • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009

    

   Posted By: Trey, You're not apart of it.

   
   
   Didn't you major in Journalism or English or some shit?
3. • CommentAuthorTrey,
   • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009

    
   Grammar burrrrrrrrrn.
4. •  
     CommentAuthorDan Magnum
   • CommentTimeJan 13th 2009

    
   Just doin' my job.
5. •  
     CommentAuthorwhiskeyisme
   • CommentTimeJan 26th 2009

    
   k, lots of good discussion here.
   is anyone doing anything? if yeah, say what you did in the past week as a start. if not, say what you could have done or should have done.
   
   altogether, just looking to actually get some of these ideas that have been discussed to become reality. (trying to light a fire under some asses here)
   so what are we going to do? what are you going to do? (to everyone)
6. • CommentAuthorTrey,
   • CommentTimeFeb 18th 2009

    
   Can we add "Carol, hold my calls" to the poll.
7. • CommentAuthorPhrixothrix
   • CommentTimeMar 17th 2009

    
   this might help...(if at all possible, i give you a license to swap the word "punk", with any others you find to be suitable)...
   
   
   JOIN US IN TAKING BACK THE SHOWS!
   
   A MESSAGE FROM THE CRIMETHINC. REVOLUTIONARY DANCE PARTY
   Here are some examples of things other people have done to keep punk shows new and fresh:
   
   -Stalag 13 (Philadelphia) has held punk rock proms, where everyone dresses up and dances (other theme shows include Halloween and Valentine's Day).
   
   -Some place (I don't remember where) put on a show where all the bands had only ten minutes to set up, play, and pack up. Six bands in an hour! It would be awesome to make everyone's favorite bands write songs just for an occasion like that, or according to some other theme...
   
   -Fort Thunder (Providence) used to have demolition derbies, including one show at which the first band set themselves on fire, the second band set the stage on fire, and the final band performed with a tube filling the room with carbon monoxide from a running car outside. The idea of making a punk show a place to explore the boundries of life and death is as thrilling to me as it is scary. They've also hosted punk rock professional wrestling (complete with a cage, etc.) and a hundred other crazy events.
   
   And here are some things you might want to try yourself:
   
   -Try dancing to bands in ways that you never have before (or that no one has before). Make up your own dances. Explore the freedom in moving your body in new ways and shaking off the weight of self-consciousness and routine.
   
   -Incorporate things besides bands into shows. Try putting on puppet shows, showing homemade films and videos, theatre, comedy, spoken word, staging unexpected performance art... For that matter, try mixing up the lineups of bands a bit, so things won't be so predictable.
   
   -Set up shows as part of larger events, or with greater themes than just music: have a potlatch (in which everyone brings gifts for the bands and each other, instead of money), a costume party, a feast, absurd competitions...
   
   -Bring your own adventures to other shows: stage scripted events, introduce unexpected elements, refuse to accept the rule of expectations, strain against the fabric of reality itself. What else is punk rock for?
8. •  
     CommentAuthorDan Magnum
   • CommentTimeMar 17th 2009

    

   Posted By: PhrixothrixAnd here are some things you might want to try yourself:
   
   -Try dancing to bands in ways that you never have before (or that no one has before). Make up your own dances. Explore the freedom in moving your body in new ways and shaking off the weight of self-consciousness and routine.
   
   -Incorporate things besides bands into shows. Try putting on puppet shows, showing homemade films and videos, theatre, comedy, spoken word, staging unexpected performance art... For that matter, try mixing up the lineups of bands a bit, so things won't be so predictable.
   
   -Set up shows as part of larger events, or with greater themes than just music: have a potlatch (in which everyone brings gifts for the bands and each other, instead of money), a costume party, a feast, absurd competitions...
   
   -Bring your own adventures to other shows: stage scripted events, introduce unexpected elements, refuse to accept the rule of expectations, strain against the fabric of reality itself. What else is punk rock for?

   
   
   
   SOOPHIE NUN SQUAD! CINDER BLOCK!!!
9. • CommentAuthorPhrixothrix
   • CommentTimeMar 17th 2009

    
   i've fallen out of the loop with the music scene...and it sucks outside of the circle
10. •  
      CommentAuthorshawn b maher
    • CommentTimeMar 17th 2009

     
    I still like music for music's sake. I don't want any gimmicks or other ways to make people forget that there's music being played. Those kinds of things turn me off from a show.
    
    I did, however, agree with "-Incorporate things besides bands into shows. ...showing homemade films and videos, theatre, comedy, spoken word, staging unexpected performance art... For that matter, try mixing up the lineups of bands a bit, so things won't be so predictable."
    
    Especially the shaking up of line-ups. Shows where all the bands sound the same are boring.
11. • CommentAuthorPhrixothrix
    • CommentTimeMar 17th 2009

     
    music is the foundation of the community...and if a community is built by the people involved, how do we draw more involvement?
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      CommentAuthorblake walker
    • CommentTimeMar 17th 2009

     
    I want to know if the carbon monoxide thing was true. Because while your other suggestions were fairly good, that one is plain stupid.
13. • CommentAuthorPhrixothrix
    • CommentTimeMar 17th 2009

     
    those suggestions came from an outside source...i was looking for other Situationists facing similar questions in their scenes...i thought they would help formulate new ideas...but yeah that suggestion does have a cult-like group suicide humor to it...
14. • CommentAuthorPhrixothrix
    • CommentTimeMar 17th 2009

     
    in order to draw more involvement we could have the local scene get behind causes that are important to people outside of it...a music scene organized for the benefits of more than just the artists...show the rest of the community that the music scene cares about a bigger picture...theres plenty of people out there who are the average citizen demographic...you could stage contests at the shows...raise money for charity...instead of pouring resources into the music scene...have the music give back...it might build some limelight...especially with a charitable organization thats more local, less national...like farmer john whos house got hit by the tornado...or something like that
15. • CommentAuthorPhrixothrix
    • CommentTimeMar 17th 2009 edited

     
    "Real listening shows respect. It creates trust. As we listen, we not only gain understanding; we also create the environment to be understood. And when both people understand both perspectives, instead of being on opposite sides of the table looking across at each other, we find ourselves on the same side looking at solutions together."
    Stephen R. Covey
    
    (just for inspiration and optimism)
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      CommentAuthorwhiskeyisme
    • CommentTimeMar 18th 2009

     
    how about the occasional underground show. possibly after hours. possibly only $4. possibly with a few kegs (all you can drink w/paid admission).
    
    I like your ideas Phrixothrix. We're already working on something like that. (Read preview article on TheFourFour here)
    
    We are also just starting TheFourFour Show and FourFourTV on the site on top of our radio show on 106.7 called Rock Talk.
17. • CommentAuthorD-Roz
    • CommentTimeMar 23rd 2009

     
    Phrixothrix, that's interesting stuff. I'm down for breaking barriers, but I think it's a matter of choosing carefully the beneficial ways of doing so rather than just attempting chaos. Ask anyone at that show where the band lit itself on fire what his or her favorite song was and I'll bet you don't get an answer. The best approach is to find barrier-breaking approaches that add to the experience of hearing music, and the music to them.
    
    The 10-minute shows intrigue me, but it may be a tough sell. What about this: book bands on a lineup, then have them play with the stipulation that they can only play songs by the other bands on the lineup.
    
    I also seem to recall shows where artists--I'm thinking it was a painter--worked onstage during a show, reacting to what he or she heard in the music being played. That's kinda cool. Or for a performance-art twist, what about having some of our many local improv talents fake like they're a band onstage while a real band plays behind a curtain?
    
    Another idea: Springfield Symphony did a concert a few years ago where the symphony performed all the orchestral pieces from a movie live while the movie played in the background. What about doing that for a movie with a more modern soundtrack? How cool would it be to show, to give an example, Singles, and then when it gets to a part where a band is supposed to play, have the movie sound cut out and have an announcer tell who the band is and let them play that musical part?
    
    Better movie chocie: This Is Spinal Tap. I can already picture the cage-wrestling match among musicians over "Big Bottom..."
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      CommentAuthorshawn b maher
    • CommentTimeMar 23rd 2009

     
    Big Bottom could be the set closer where the supergroup comprised of all the bass players from all the bands play the song together.
19. • CommentAuthorSpiral Photo
    • CommentTimeJun 28th 2009 edited

     
    What about possible affiliations with other local online communities? For example, 417vibe.com has recently opened its doors to all music, not just electronic. Changes are being made there now to accommodate more things, not only for local electronic music, but for everyone else as well. This includes band info, bios, samples of music, and photos. This town is not big enough to really separate all local music into groups based on genre, and I feel that if we continue on in the mindset that they can be then no real growth will be possible because everyone will be separated into cliques. I know it's virtually impossible to eliminate cliques, but the more you have, the more each group simply writes all the others off completely. I'm not saying that there should be one online location or hub, however I am saying that all groups of local talent should be able to feed off of each other, rather than compete. You have to keep in mind that the people you would then be competing against are also the same people who would be your potential audience. You can't exclude anyone, they could potentially be helping you pay your band or even your rent.
    
    Right now, we have a thread on 417vibe called "The 417 DJ Mix Collection", which is a collection that weighs in at over 6 full days of music, all in one page, all in one playlist. Today is Sunday, you could start the playlist and let it go, and you won't hear the same mix again until next Saturday.
    That thread should not be the only one of its kind going. Free hosting for music is available on that site for anyone who wants it, just gotta ask. We need a "The 417 Local Band Music Collection", and if anyone reading this wants to take part in that at all, you guys are welcome to get a hold of me. We're looking to make some big changes on this end, and part of the intention behind it is to get local bands in on it too.
20. • CommentAuthorovertone
    • CommentTimeNov 21st 2009

     
    everybody come together try to love one another right now.
    Hey we are all musicians here we are one! let the music set you free! no one is better than the next!
    overtone